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Steve Hatcher
Newbie
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Posted - 10 Feb 2008 : 20:43:12
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| It was made by JV and is actually pretty good for its age. Actually it's rather good and not that old - it's extraordinary what we've come to expect from a recon these days, due to the efforts of the Loose Cannon Team. |
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Frankymole
Newbie
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 Posted - 14 May 2008 : 19:03:53
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Originally posted by Russ
Using Mark Ayres cd's is likely to send the man into a lather, turns him green and has him ripping his shirt I believe
That I'd like to see!
My thoughts on Elaphe were posted in anbother thread, but bear repeating:
feel very virtuous. I have access to several torrent sites (which I only use for non-copyright material), as well as easy ability to transfer torrents (or VHS tapes) to DVD. But I have avoided the Elaphe attempts, and bought the BBC audio CDs without fail. I have also got the LC recons. Why? Not purely altruism, though I do want as wide an audience of fans as possible to enjoy the old stories (I bet RTD and David Tennant know exactly what happened in The Massacre..). It's because the extras, and the achievement of top quality are what really make these worthwhile. Some favourites - Mark Ayres's lovely, lovely interviews on the CDs (Anneke Wills on "Underwater Menace" is a particular favourite - she is so amazing!) and the spectacular interview coups achieved by LC (Donald Gee, Mark Eden, and Julian Glover being glorious examples; and Peter Purves and Sonia Markham, who gave me a very entertaining evening; they're wonderful!) - as well as the beautiful, painstaking works of art like the almost frame-by-frame construction "from the ground up" like "The Massacre".
Never mind Elaphe (whatever), 2¦Entertain and BBC Worldwide could look at some of these tapes and weep. This is the best appreciation any imaginative work could have. I'm awed!
If you have the LC videos, and the BBC soundtrack CDs, I fail to see what "extra" Elaphe offer. A lot less, in most cases. |
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The2ndComing
Newbie
Australia
12 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 13:52:37
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I agree the preference of narration is a personal choice, however its inclusion makes the recon (and by inference all recons) more likely to be pulled. There was a guy on here a while ago (Silver Smurfer - Kyron Mallet) who made his own "recons" and proudly used the narrated audio and proclaimed to all who would listen that he was distributing them on YouTube and he had a perfect right to do so etc etc, his YouTube site was shut down, thankfully it had no effect on anyone else but its clear the beeb are watching
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Now there are more than a few factual errors here. Russell-Port is quite charactieristically not presenting the full truth.
First of all LC has no more "right" to produce recons than any other individual or group.
A recon is any combination of pictures and sound therefore my work posted on YouTube was just as much a recon as anyone elses (including all others who create, post, distribute recons via any media).
A copyright violation is a copyright violation. There is nothing better or worse in relation to what I have done than what LC, JV or anyone else has produced. (Although I have and do again admit that posting narrated soundtracks is more naughty than the above and have apologised for it - although I wonder why I have bothered). The LC will often carry on about how its much more legal to distribute material on video tape as if they have an agreement with the BBC and that keeps the legal wolf from the door: it isn't kids and it doesn't.
No one took my site down, I did if for my own personal reasons. There was another lie posted by His Nibbs above previously stating that there was a notice on my page stating that it had been removed for having broken terms etc. There wasn't. There are little girly swats that operate "lurkering" identities on sites like YouTube, searching for anything they find objectionable. His Holiness Russ admitted to beingone of these and it was up for a rather long time before I pulled the plug indicating that even site adminstrators don't like threatened little spoilsports.
Now, I did not start this little battle of wills. I found myself banned for simply putting up recons of my own on YouTube from the LC site (and the Levine site as well? I can't rememeber... maybe it was the comment about the tissues and the basement that got me banned from this site originally?!!!) Having done that I then did (sort of)what I was accused of, uploading a LC recon, although it was one composed of stills from their Marco Polo recon just for fun (a couple of episodes only). I have also been accused of slagging LC off and a whole number of other things, I have since found out. This sort of thing is typical of immature and uncreative minds with unresolved issues!
Aside from moving towards my Research Doctorate, in recent months I have been very busy (not just making recons). I would invite all those interested to listen to my new audio adventure 'Equilibrium' produced by the Doctor Who Audio Dramas. I won't bother posting the website, its quite well known. You see Russ, that's what creative people do: they create. And some of us are quite good at it. Others on teh other hand, attach themselves to others and set themselves up on high as a type of expert.
It will be interesting if this post (which will be my last word on the subject stays up and in its original format). If it is removed or altered [I'll be nice you can remove the cuss words ;)]OR I am banned from this site in a typical fit of immature and characteristic pique, I may then suffer from an irresistable urge to start a new YouTube site called "Loose Cannon Online" and upload every single Loose Cannon recon up to the Space Pirates and we'll see just how loooong it takes to come off!
Sorry folks but I find it difficult to swallow taking crap about uploading recons from people who run a global operation doing the same thing. Have a nice life.
PS. Its also MALLETT you idiot. As in the 1000 year old Anglo-Norman patronymical surname predating yours by at least 500 years. Do the world a favour: learn to spell and learn to think.
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
8172 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 14:06:06
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| I've never seen the LC team saying that it's "legal" for them to distribute on VHS. They've always acknoledged their recons are copywrite violations. They just distribute on VHS because there's less of a likelihood the BBC would take action since it's in such an obsolete format. |
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The2ndComing
Newbie
Australia
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Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 14:59:40
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Originally posted by toxicspurge
I've never seen the LC team saying that it's "legal" for them to distribute on VHS. They've always acknoledged their recons are copywrite violations. They just distribute on VHS because there's less of a likelihood the BBC would take action since it's in such an obsolete format.
Ahhhh yes, release the hounds! Let the little sicophants do the dirty work!
The term was "more legal", in otherwords its implied that what they do is "less illegal" - although they post digital clips online themselves. There's no less likelihood of legal action re: analogue versus digital. What corporations worry about is potential lost revenue which is why the majority of recons and fan fic is simply ignored. It's hard to make money from a product that's a pile of ashes or garbage fill.
Its a lie believed and propagated by a little clique of fortty something nerds who think they own Doctor Who and you are clearly one of the sheep that follow them. |
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
8172 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:29:41
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Again, I don't think I've never seen the LC crew say or imply that what they're doing is any more or less illegal than distributing on DVD. They merely say the likelihood of the BBC getting upset and attempting to shut them down is much less likely if they're producing on an obsolete format.
P.S. I am forty something. However, I don't consider myself a sheep or a sicophant. I call them the way I see them. |
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:30:53
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| By the way, I don't know you The2ncComing, nor do I know anything about you, but you seem to be very bitter about the whole recon thing. Why is that? |
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
8172 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:32:23
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By the way, if you must refer to me as something to be released, I much prefer the term "let slip the dogs of war", rather than "let loose the sicophantic sheep hounds".
I'm just funny that way. |
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Russ
Administrator
United Kingdom
2566 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:33:11
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Originally posted by The2ndComing
I agree the preference of narration is a personal choice, however its inclusion makes the recon (and by inference all recons) more likely to be pulled. There was a guy on here a while ago (Silver Smurfer - Kyron Mallet) who made his own "recons" and proudly used the narrated audio and proclaimed to all who would listen that he was distributing them on YouTube and he had a perfect right to do so etc etc, his YouTube site was shut down, thankfully it had no effect on anyone else but its clear the beeb are watching
Now there are more than a few factual errors here. Russell-Port is quite charactieristically not presenting the full truth.
First of all LC has no more "right" to produce recons than any other individual or group.
A recon is any combination of pictures and sound therefore my work posted on YouTube was just as much a recon as anyone elses (including all others who create, post, distribute recons via any media).
A copyright violation is a copyright violation. There is nothing better or worse in relation to what I have done than what LC, JV or anyone else has produced. (Although I have and do again admit that posting narrated soundtracks is more naughty than the above and have apologised for it - although I wonder why I have bothered). The LC will often carry on about how its much more legal to distribute material on video tape as if they have an agreement with the BBC and that keeps the legal wolf from the door: it isn't kids and it doesn't.
No one took my site down, I did if for my own personal reasons. There was another lie posted by His Nibbs above previously stating that there was a notice on my page stating that it had been removed for having broken terms etc. There wasn't. There are little girly swats that operate "lurkering" identities on sites like YouTube, searching for anything they find objectionable. His Holiness Russ admitted to beingone of these and it was up for a rather long time before I pulled the plug indicating that even site adminstrators don't like threatened little spoilsports.
Now, I did not start this little battle of wills. I found myself banned for simply putting up recons of my own on YouTube from the LC site (and the Levine site as well? I can't rememeber... maybe it was the comment about the tissues and the basement that got me banned from this site originally?!!!) Having done that I then did (sort of)what I was accused of, uploading a LC recon, although it was one composed of stills from their Marco Polo recon just for fun (a couple of episodes only). I have also been accused of slagging LC off and a whole number of other things, I have since found out. This sort of thing is typical of immature and uncreative minds with unresolved issues!
Aside from moving towards my Research Doctorate, in recent months I have been very busy (not just making recons). I would invite all those interested to listen to my new audio adventure 'Equilibrium' produced by the Doctor Who Audio Dramas. I won't bother posting the website, its quite well known. You see Russ, that's what creative people do: they create. And some of us are quite good at it. Others on teh other hand, attach themselves to others and set themselves up on high as a type of expert.
It will be interesting if this post (which will be my last word on the subject stays up and in its original format). If it is removed or altered [I'll be nice you can remove the cuss words ;)]OR I am banned from this site in a typical fit of immature and characteristic pique, I may then suffer from an irresistable urge to start a new YouTube site called "Loose Cannon Online" and upload every single Loose Cannon recon up to the Space Pirates and we'll see just how loooong it takes to come off!
Sorry folks but I find it difficult to swallow taking crap about uploading recons from people who run a global operation doing the same thing. Have a nice life.
PS. Its also MALLETT you idiot. As in the 1000 year old Anglo-Norman patronymical surname predating yours by at least 500 years. Do the world a favour: learn to spell and learn to think.
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I see infant school is out for summer in Australia.....
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First of all LC has no more "right" to produce recons than any other individual or group.
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A recon is any combination of pictures and sound therefore my work posted on YouTube was just as much a recon as anyone elses (including all others who create, post, distribute recons via any media).
also correct (if referring to your DMP one) - just a really crap one
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A copyright violation is a copyright violation. There is nothing better or worse in relation to what I have done than what LC, JV or anyone else has produced. (Although I have and do again admit that posting narrated soundtracks is more naughty than the above and have apologised for it - although I wonder why I have bothered). The LC will often carry on about how its much more legal to distribute material on video tape as if they have an agreement with the BBC and that keeps the legal wolf from the door: it isn't kids and it doesn't.
Half correct - a violation is a violation and are equally illegal, however it is the choice of the copyright holder whether to persue such a violation , it isn't more legal to distribute on VHS, it is just (in our view) less likely the copyright holder will take action, you may disagree with that view, thats up to you
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No one took my site down, I did if for my own personal reasons. There was another lie posted by His Nibbs above previously stating that there was a notice on my page stating that it had been removed for having broken terms etc. There wasn't. There are little girly swats that operate "lurkering" identities on sites like YouTube, searching for anything they find objectionable. His Holiness Russ admitted to beingone of these and it was up for a rather long time before I pulled the plug indicating that even site adminstrators don't like threatened little spoilsports.
Not correct, your site had the standard removed notice also applied to other BBc items they seem to dislike (the main one being the clip of a dalek arguing with Eccleston in French which has been removed on several occasions - though lord knows why as its quite funny). I have one identity on YouTube, ElDoctorio, and have never reported anyone to YouTube admins or otherwise, i would have no compunction in doing so but YouTube will only accept complaints from the copyright holder which we are only part of, though i do ask people to remove recons from YouTube and explain the reasons and they usually do - at least the sane ones do
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Now, I did not start this little battle of wills. I found myself banned for simply putting up recons of my own on YouTube from the LC site (and the Levine site as well? I can't rememeber... maybe it was the comment about the tissues and the basement that got me banned from this site originally?!!!) Having done that I then did (sort of)what I was accused of, uploading a LC recon, although it was one composed of stills from their Marco Polo recon just for fun (a couple of episodes only). I have also been accused of slagging LC off and a whole number of other things, I have since found out. This sort of thing is typical of immature and uncreative minds with unresolved issues!
You actually first uploaded a recon of Mission to the Unknown created purely from screencaps from the LC release, then uploaded your own recon of DMP (one episode, i can't remember which one). You frequently slag our policy of distributing on VHS off and have often slagged the product off
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Aside from moving towards my Research Doctorate,
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in recent months I have been very busy (not just making recons). I would invite all those interested to listen to my new audio adventure 'Equilibrium' produced by the Doctor Who Audio Dramas. I won't bother posting the website, its quite well known. You see Russ, that's what creative people do: they create. And some of us are quite good at it. Others on teh other hand, attach themselves to others and set themselves up on high as a type of expert.
Indeed, many people are excellent at creative stuff, though some are not, feel free to post the website cos i don't know it for one
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It will be interesting if this post(which will be my last word on the subject stays up and in its original format).
I'll bet a pound it isn't!
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If it is removed or altered [I'll be nice you can remove the cuss words ;)]OR I am banned from this site in a typical fit of immature and characteristic pique, I may then suffer from an irresistable urge to start a new YouTube site called "Loose Cannon Online" and upload every single Loose Cannon recon up to the Space Pirates and we'll see just how loooong it takes to come off!
Unfortunately your insults and language make it quite hard to avoid deleting your posts - but i have made an effort here - no one objects to you having your views - just your blanket refusal to accept anyone elses and then sinking to immature insults, you were barred from here last time due to you creating several new identities and having a discussion with yourself - i presume you have had some sort of treatment since then - heres hoping
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Sorry folks but I find it difficult to swallow taking crap about uploading recons from people who run a global operation doing the same thing. Have a nice life.[/quote]
Funnily enough we all were until very very recently...
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PS. Its also MALLETT you idiot. As in the 1000 year old Anglo-Norman patronymical surname predating yours by at least 500 years. Do the world a favour: learn to spell and learn to think.[/quote]
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kajaboy
Legendary Time Traveller
United Kingdom
3140 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:34:50
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Originally posted by The2ndComing
What corporations worry about is potential lost revenue........
Which is why the BBC would get pissy over people using the narrated audios. |
"I am the master of British television and I am universally referred to as a bast...(snip!)"
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:34:57
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| Well said Russ! See! Everything I said was correct! |
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Russ
Administrator
United Kingdom
2566 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:35:26
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Originally posted by toxicspurge
By the way, I don't know you The2ncComing, nor do I know anything about you, but you seem to be very bitter about the whole recon thing. Why is that?
Its Kyron (Timmy) Mallet aka Silversmurfer under one of his other identities, sadly he is the turd that will not flush
For some reason he has a major chip on his shoulder because we won't upload recons to YouTube (or similar) and takes it as a personal slight |
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
8172 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:36:08
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| Maybe he needs a girlfriend? |
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
8172 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:37:31
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Hey Russ, let me get your opinion! Which user name do you prefer?
"Dog of War" or "Sicophantic Sheep Hound"?
I just think "Dog of War" has a better feel to it. |
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Russ
Administrator
United Kingdom
2566 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:45:43
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| Yeah, i would say Dog of War Brian, Sicophantic Sheep Hound sounds like something someone attending "special" lessons would come up with |
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
8172 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 17:15:44
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| That's what I think too. |
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Makkabee
Legendary Time Traveller
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Posted - 06 Aug 2008 : 07:12:58
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Sycophantic? TOX?
Why on Earth do some people insist on misinterpreting politeness as some sort of character flaw? |
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
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Posted - 06 Aug 2008 : 10:47:06
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| LOL! I have no idea. It's certainly good for comedy relief, though! |
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chumblielover
Junior Time Traveller
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Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 06:29:35
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Originally posted by toxicspurge
Maybe he needs a girlfriend?
Don't we all? |
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
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Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 10:56:42
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| LOL! |
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blahblah gh
Legendary Time Traveller
United Kingdom
1370 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 08:41:29
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Well, mostly not from my experience of who fans  |
darren gregory is our next sacrifice.......
We are monitoring all your transmissions...........
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kajaboy
Legendary Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 11:46:42
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Originally posted by blahblah gh
Well, mostly not from my experience of who fans
Who would you be talking about. |
"I am the master of British television and I am universally referred to as a bast...(snip!)"
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
8172 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 14:43:02
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The2ndComing
Newbie
Australia
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 16:45:33
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Galaxy 4 has been up on YouTube for 8 months... I'm on it Russ!!!
Some have been up there for a couple of years and with narrated tracks too. Why would my old site have been targeted? It just doesn't stand up to reason.
My hope is that there are enough free thinkers out there in which the wheels are starting to turn and are really beginning to see what this is all about.
Port was right about one thing... it wasn't my last word!
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toxicspurge
Corrupt Time Traveller
USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 17:50:51
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| LOL! 2ndcoming is so cute when he pretends he doesn't understand the differences! |
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The2ndComing
Newbie
Australia
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 18:56:19
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LOL! 2ndcoming is so cute when he pretends he doesn't understand the differences!
When I took my site down it didn't have any recons with narrated soundtracks on it. There are a couple of straight LC recons that are online now and have been for ages. There are also recons online with narrated soundtracks. I know very well what I'm saying troll... I suspect you have trouble completing household tasks.
It's quite clear you or your Master have no influence whatsover over what stays online or what goes. By trying to big-note himself and his delusions through suggesting he had something to do with the demise of that particular site of mine, Port and his hounds like you, are really just egging people like myself to upload more.
What LC do is up to them of course, but putting their recons online on their own servers at a very low resolution would actually be "safer" than distributing analogue copies GLOBALLY which are by the admission of just about everybody, digitised alomst as soon as they are unwrapped.
I'm now absolutely against posting narrated soundtracks as I've explained. I also wouldn't really upload LC recons(although I virtually have it all in one form or another)although I see no problem disecting them for material as the makers hold no copyright of their own in any way over the material (sorry but that's the truth). Whether I upload Doctor Who material or not is someting I am potentially answerable for, I don't need trumped up little gestapo officers banning me when they supposedly represent anorganisation which also technically infringes copyright. My use of LC pictures in a Mission to the Unknown recon and later a Marco Polo recon was indirect response to being banned for simply uploading my own material online (no matter what Port-a-loo says. This delusion that spreading copyrighted material on video tape is better than on digital media (when you have more control over teh quality or lack of quality of the material) had even found its way into wikipedia. It simply isn't true. When the BBC come out and say that it is I'll relent and publically retract every statement I have made to the contary. What they have done is come out and state they aren't worried about YouTube or other digital distribution, in fact they seem to think its good publicity.
I can personally sit down and watch recons of all missing stories without watching a single LC recon. Personally I don't care for them and I prefer narrated recons.
No doubt Port will soon be on harping on and on, muddying the waters, mixing lies with half-lies, but you see the problem is not everybody is as thick as he thinks they are.
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