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toxicspurge
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  14:35:01  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You're thinking of the JV recon. I've seen it. It's not bad, but I think the LC crew could make massive improvements.

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The Black Guardian
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  18:58:28  Show Profile Send The Black Guardian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bingo99

Web of Fear hasn't been done? Oh that next, please.




HAHAHA. Be careful when mentioning The Web of Fear. We would not want DWO to jump to the wrong conclusions and set the internet ablaze with activity again.
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toxicspurge
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  19:46:38  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
LMAO! Is THAT how that happened? LOL!

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Makkabee
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  19:54:51  Show Profile Send Makkabee a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by toxicspurge

Yo Makkabee, which would you like the next LC release to be after The Savage?



I'd most like to see "Evil of the Daleks" next.

I need to start ordering recons again. I stopped about the time they announced the Space Pirates revision because I didn't want to get something and then have an improved version come out almost immediately afterwards. Now that TSP is out I can get that though, and there are a few other gaps in my collection it's probably time to fill as well.

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toxicspurge
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  22:13:08  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you haven't got them Makkabee, The Mythmakers V-II and The Highlanders V-II are both vast improvements of the first versions!

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tygerbug
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  22:33:58  Show Profile  Visit tygerbug's Homepage Send tygerbug a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Why are the Elaphe (Elephe?) recons so rarely mentioned when talking about recons? They're newish and all, and they use narrated audio, but I've watched 10 Elephe recons for every Loose Cannon I've seen .... so they're certainly out there ....

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Makkabee
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  22:42:58  Show Profile Send Makkabee a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have the redone version of "The Myth Makers" but not "The Highlanders." I should probably get "The Highlanders" because the footage of barechested sailors battling it out (I believe it was taken from Mutiny on the Bounty) didn't look right with the foggy northern setting of the story and I've heard the LC team replaced this footage with something more appropriate.

Besides, I quite like that story even if they do make the Jacobites the good guys.

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Another Ian
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  22:47:25  Show Profile Send Another Ian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Never heard of them, but I don't think narrated versions would interest me anyway.
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tygerbug
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  23:09:56  Show Profile  Visit tygerbug's Homepage Send tygerbug a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They're very good recons. They're the easiest recons to find online for download, so I've seen loads of them.

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toxicspurge
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 :  23:40:11  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Another Ian

Never heard of them, but I don't think narrated versions would interest me anyway.



They aren't narrated. They use the original soundtracks.

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tygerbug
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Posted - 21 Dec 2007 :  00:24:09  Show Profile  Visit tygerbug's Homepage Send tygerbug a Private Message  Reply with Quote
He's talking about the Elaphe (Elephe?) versions, which certainly use the narrated soundtracks. I've watched many of these.

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toxicspurge
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Posted - 21 Dec 2007 :  01:21:29  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The LC recons are much better than the Elaphes.

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The Black Guardian
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Posted - 21 Dec 2007 :  04:31:16  Show Profile Send The Black Guardian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by toxicspurge

LMAO! Is THAT how that happened? LOL!





Actually, DWO ended up giving free publicity to hoaxers. They heard about the hoax (rumor) through three supposedly reliable sources, and then they printed a recovery story around the hoax. As everybody well knows, DWO kept supporting the hoax (rumor) until it finally sank in that nothing had been recovered.
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toxicspurge
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Posted - 21 Dec 2007 :  10:54:31  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think this will go down in history as the way "NOT" to deal with rumors.

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Russ
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Posted - 22 Dec 2007 :  11:58:55  Show Profile Send Russ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tygerbug

Why are the Elaphe (Elephe?) recons so rarely mentioned when talking about recons? They're newish and all, and they use narrated audio, but I've watched 10 Elephe recons for every Loose Cannon I've seen .... so they're certainly out there ....




These are badly advised recons, they use the narrated audio and also are distributed digitally (directly from source), this is likely to cause problems for all recons as this is what the BBC (apparantly) dislike, Using Mark Ayres cd's is likely to send the man into a lather, turns him green and has him ripping his shirt I believe


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toxicspurge
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Posted - 22 Dec 2007 :  13:22:02  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So they turn people into Primoids? LOL!

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nix
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  00:20:17  Show Profile Send nix a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Its hard knowing which recons are best. I've got several ropey Loose Canon version on tape, though that might be that I've got bad copies?
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toxicspurge
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  10:49:12  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Some of the best are

The Highlanders V-II
The Myth Makers V-II
The Space Pirates V-II
The Dalek Masterplan.
Mission to the Unknown

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Russ
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  12:33:45  Show Profile Send Russ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nix

Its hard knowing which recons are best. I've got several ropey Loose Canon version on tape, though that might be that I've got bad copies?



The later ones are usually of better video quality as format confversion is less of an issue these days, The quality of Space Pirates and Highlanders is similar to a shop bought VHS IMHO

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Newboy
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  17:41:58  Show Profile Send Newboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How do you tell which version you are watching. I have the highlanders and mythmakers LC recons but dunno weather it is the newest version or not.

-Dave
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toxicspurge
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  18:02:29  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would imagine if it doesn't say V-II, it's the first version. The Highlanders and the Mythmakers are both fairly recent released (last year or so, correct Russ?)

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tygerbug
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  19:14:50  Show Profile  Visit tygerbug's Homepage Send tygerbug a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just saw Myth Makers last night. What a great story. What a great recon. I haven't watched a lot of Hartnell as I find his performance not that interesting, but this was good stuff. Surprisingly funny, tense and tragic.

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nix
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  19:33:03  Show Profile Send nix a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've got the first editions. Right time to get some blank tapes & send off an email
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kajaboy
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  19:50:14  Show Profile Send kajaboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am yet to get any recons and with VHS tapes drying up I better get a move on.

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toxicspurge
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  21:27:36  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nix

I've got the first editions. Right time to get some blank tapes & send off an email



I'd recommend

The Highlanders V-II
The Myth Makers V-II
The Space Pirates V-II
The Dalek Masterplan.
Mission to the Unknown

I have very high hopes for the Savages given how fantastic the preview looks!

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toxicspurge
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Posted - 10 Jan 2008 :  21:28:27  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kajaboy

I am yet to get any recons and with VHS tapes drying up I better get a move on.



Yup, time to get a move-on! Plus, think how nice it will be to compare the Dalek Masterplan recon to the original once Ash reveal's he's been hoarding it for the last 30 years!

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Russ
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Posted - 11 Jan 2008 :  00:10:46  Show Profile Send Russ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Newboy

How do you tell which version you are watching. I have the highlanders and mythmakers LC recons but dunno weather it is the newest version or not.



Well for Myth Makers if the recon has full screen text captions its the old version, Highlanders is a lot clearer than the old version but nothing specific springs to mind to tell you, the newer versions have an interview though whereas the old ones didn't

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Newboy
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 :  20:02:59  Show Profile Send Newboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well I have the new Myth Makers then. I dont seem to hjave a copy of the LC Highlanders at all though which is a shame.

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toxicspurge
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 :  21:07:04  Show Profile Send toxicspurge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's way better than the original.

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nix
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Posted - 17 Jan 2008 :  23:42:59  Show Profile Send nix a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kajaboy

I am yet to get any recons and with VHS tapes drying up I better get a move on.

I previously though they drying up too. I know some of the big retailers have announced they've stopped selling VCR's and doctor who isn't released on VHS any more, but there are still a lot of people using VCR's to record (most households have DVD-player not recorder). I have a HDD-rec so don't use my VCR to record programs any more, so haven't bought a tape for the last year or so. I recently went out to buy some for recons, and found them in most places you'd expect. Also found some decent prices - Maxell e180 99p and Sony e180 £1.40

quote:
Originally posted by Russ
quote:
Originally posted by tygerbug
Why are the Elaphe (Elephe?) recons so rarely mentioned when talking about recons? They're newish and all, and they use narrated audio, but I've watched 10 Elephe recons for every Loose Cannon I've seen .... so they're certainly out there ....


These are badly advised recons, they use the narrated audio and also are distributed digitally (directly from source), this is likely to cause problems for all recons as this is what the BBC (apparantly) dislike, Using Mark Ayres cd's is likely to send the man into a lather, turns him green and has him ripping his shirt I believe
This one is a hard one IMO. The fact they are illegally using the copyrighted narrated audios means both that it can disenfranchise the Beeb on the idea of fan-recons and that they have a limited audience (as only available on download sites). If you take the recon's themselves and examine themselves, then whether they are a preference to LC is a personal choice. The audio on them is nice and clear, obviously, and judging by the Space Pirates preview clip on the LC site, newer LC's audio is clearer than the old stuff. I do like the narrated (I know some people don't) especially as peering at the TV to read the moving text on my old LC's is a bit distracting.
However Elaphe recons are purely static telesnaps, where as LC are now putting more movement into scenes. That said we may see more in other recons to follow too. I think elaphe recons can appear clearer because they are not limited to VHS and so can be released in higher resolutions, though this isn't always as straight forward as it might seem as some of the telesnaps used are upscaled versions of smaller images.
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