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TheLazenby
Junior Time Traveller
USA
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 Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 07:49:36
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Is Michael Palmer's "Mission" any good? I heard he tried to incorporate clips from elsewhere to keep the story moving... hey, if you can do that for a one-episode long story, you're okay in my book!
On the other hand, and I don't mean any disrespect, but his "Tenth Planet 4" sounded rather exciting... until I actually saw it..... (Still, I think trying to lipsynch moving clips is a workable idea - if Loose Cannon ever redoes Tenth Planet 4, which they've mentioned on occasion, they should consider trying that!)
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Russ
Head Administrator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 20:15:06
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| Michales Mission was very innovative for the time, not as much unsynced footage as Tenth Planet and more use of composites, looks a bit dated now but still quite interesting, of its time really |
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TheLazenby
Junior Time Traveller
USA
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Posted - 11 Jun 2007 : 06:53:38
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| Hmmm... I'll have to track that one down then. Where did he get the footage from, anyway? |
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zeropolis79
Junior Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 12:38:50
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I was watching that the other day - I got my copy direct from him back in 1997. Very good recon.
Some clips came from The Romans (Jeremy Young was the assassin) along with An Unearthly Child. Various Dalek clips along with jungle footage came from The Dalek MasterPlan. Uniforms came from DMP. |
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TheLazenby
Junior Time Traveller
USA
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 18:50:00
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| I've since got my hands on this... I dunno, I find the obvious "Unearthly Child" clips distracting. |
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Russ
Head Administrator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 19:07:01
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| You have to view it in the context of its time, Photoshop was in its infancy and composite pictures were nowhere near as achievable as when Derek tackled it a few years later, there was next to no source material and Michael did what seemed impossible and tied a story together, I think this was the first story with no telesnaps ever to be done. It does look rather dated now though |
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zeropolis79
Junior Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 18:09:05
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You were right there Russ..
This is an extract from a 1997 interview with him for hte Change of Identity newsletter:
Firstly the equipment: I use a Pentium 133 running Windows 95 with 16Mb of memory. I have a hand scanner for photos, but the main piece of equipment needed is a video capture card, that can read in video and write the finished episode back to video, I use one called F60 (the most important thing is that it works with ‘MJPEG’, not ‘MPEG’). You also need a lot of disk space – the completed episodes of TP4 and Mission each ended up at 550M bytes, and that is not including the video and pictures used to produce them. I have a total of 3G bytes. TP4 took about 2G bytes in total.
The first thing I do is listen to the audio and read the script, if a script is available. I then hunt for pictures from any episode in the story, and scan them or download them. I next video capture the existing episodes and clips (if any), and extract sections or stills I might need. If there is something else I need, I then look for other programmes that might have suitable pictures in them. The close-ups of Cory (for Mission to the Unknown), for instance, came from a 60s horror movie he was in.
To sum up, I basically work by fast inter-cutting, so that any bad synching with the sound or bad pictures is not there long enough to be spotted by people are just watching it to enjoy the story. The pictures of aliens/monsters are genuine, but may have come from press photos, such as the ones from Mission to the Unknown.
With hardware like that, he produced some impressive results..
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TheLazenby
Junior Time Traveller
USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 07:35:31
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He certainly did... with that kind of hardware, I'd expect it to come out looking something like the first LC "Macra Terror" - awful and blocky. (16MB of RAM? Good Lord...)
I still think he was onto something with reusing footage for TP4, and I'd still love to see it redone someday... LC?  |
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zeropolis79
Junior Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 16:38:04
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His TP:4 was the first recon I ordered and saw and was impressed by what he had done.
Remember then, 16 - 32meg was what the majority of people had in their PC's. My first one (which I got around that time) had 16meg of memory. |
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Russ
Head Administrator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 20:55:21
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Originally posted by TheLazenby
He certainly did... with that kind of hardware, I'd expect it to come out looking something like the first LC "Macra Terror" - awful and blocky. (16MB of RAM? Good Lord...)
I still think he was onto something with reusing footage for TP4, and I'd still love to see it redone someday... LC?
I'm sure we will tackle it at some point and i imagine we would manage to reuse some footage from earlier episodes similar to Michael but i certainly wouldn't want unsynced speaking, whilst i do enjoy Michaels recon at points that becomes quite distracting. At others he very nearly gets there with the lip sync and you are willing it to stay in sync - but it doesn't :-) Very innovative recon though
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xylok b
Seasoned Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Apr 2009 : 22:15:08
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| I'd still like to see an animated version of Mission to the unknown! |
My destiny is in the stars, and to see the day when all 108 missing eps of Doctor Who and Shada are recons and or animations on dvd! |
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domvar
Newbie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Jul 2009 : 23:11:03
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Michael is sorely missed, wish he was still around so we could see the results of his editing skill and some modern kit.
I loved his version of invasion
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Another Ian
Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 00:13:41
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Originally posted by Russ
whilst i do enjoy Michaels recon at points that becomes quite distracting. At others he very nearly gets there with the lip sync and you are willing it to stay in sync - but it doesn't :-) Very innovative recon though
he didn't have the means back then to vary the speed of the clips - these days you could slow sections down, speed others up, remove some mouth movements completely, reverse and loop. More of this could be done now, but still a lot of work. |
Shove that in your canon. |
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xylok b
Seasoned Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 : 11:47:12
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| Where can i see this, it sounds interesting? |
My destiny is in the stars, and to see the day when all 108 missing eps of Doctor Who and Shada are recons and or animations on dvd! |
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Michael Palmer's Mission to the Unknown?
