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toxicspurge
Rassilons Bitch
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 Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 20:46:20
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So I'm curious. Are the recons of Doctor Who the first attempts ever to reconstruction missing episodes of a television program from stills?
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Russ
Head Administrator
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 22:05:31
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| The only other similar thing I am aware of is, i believe, a couple of the episodes of Dark Shadows were completed this way but that would certainly be after Doctor Who recons came into being, can't think of anything else |
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Fatso the wombat
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 22:55:23
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There's A For Andromeda.
There's also at least a couple of films that have been reconstructed in this manner - although I forget the titles. |
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toxicspurge
Rassilons Bitch
USA
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 23:10:12
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| So which came first? I guess what I'm trying to get at, is did Doctor Who create the genre? |
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Sontaran
Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 09:08:33
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Originally posted by toxicspurge
So which came first? I guess what I'm trying to get at is, did Doctor Who create the genre?
I think the publication of so many of the Telesnaps helped Doctor Who recons get off the ground, that and the ability to edit and sync photos to soundtracks at home.
John Cura's Telesnaps from other shows (like Z-Cars and Steptoe and Son) have been printed in books and newspapers over the years, but few of the Who ones as far as I know (there were some from The Daleks in "The Dalek Book" in 1964 and Jeremy Bentham's "Doctor Who: The Early Years" book printed episode one of "Power...").
So until the likes of DWB printed Telesnaps from "Power of the Daleks" and "The Moonbase" and Doctor Who Magazine/Classic Comics printed any and all the Telesnaps from missing episodes that they could find at the BBC, fans hadn't seen the Telesnaps.
So as far as television goes, Who may well be the first programme to benefit from the fan desire to reconstruct, but it may also be helped by the number of stills (Telesnaps and publicity) and the availability of the soundtracks too that circulated among fandom.
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xylok b
Seasoned Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 11:54:07
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| Yeah. Doctor Who has certainly urived better than some other programmes, but it wouldn't have if it wern't fo the fans , who have made reconstructions and animations possible, but if 2Entertain don't release anymore it may have all been in vein. Not that i don't enjoy LC recons , but it would be nice to have official dvd's, extras, and official interviews. |
My destiny is in the stars, and to see the day when all 108 missing eps of Doctor Who and Shada are recons and or animations on dvd! |
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toxicspurge
Rassilons Bitch
USA
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 13:10:16
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| Xylok, have you seen the Official Marco Polo recon on The Beginnings Boxed Set? |
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tygerbug
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xylok b
Seasoned Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 16:56:07
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| Yeah i've seen the Marcco Polo recon and i think it's fantastic of them to have included that on the beggining set , although a full recon would have been better than a cut down , but at least they acknowledged the story and we could enjoy it almost as much as the fabulous LC version. |
My destiny is in the stars, and to see the day when all 108 missing eps of Doctor Who and Shada are recons and or animations on dvd! |
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Pip
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 13:09:11
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Originally posted by xylok b
Yeah. Doctor Who has certainly urived better than some other programmes, but it wouldn't have if it wern't fo the fans , who have made reconstructions and animations possible, but if 2Entertain don't release anymore it may have all been in vein. Not that i don't enjoy LC recons , but it would be nice to have official dvd's, extras, and official interviews.
What on earth are you talking about? The BBC have never really embraced recons, apart from the mini-recon on Ice Warriors, the full recon of Tenth Planet and the mini-recon of Marco Polo. What on earth makes you think that if the BBC don't suddenly have a big recon love-in, then the work in fan reconstructions of the past 10-15 years will be in vain? You really need to stop being so melodramatic... |
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toxicspurge
Rassilons Bitch
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 13:21:17
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| I see no evidence 2|E will embrace recons. |
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xylok b
Seasoned Time Traveller
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 15:44:12
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| meldromatic , i'm just angry that the BBC wn't accept LC as a corporation, more new fans need to see the recos and the early DW eps, they need to be aware of LC's work and they need to be aware that 108 episodes of the programme are missing. |
My destiny is in the stars, and to see the day when all 108 missing eps of Doctor Who and Shada are recons and or animations on dvd! |
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toxicspurge
Rassilons Bitch
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 16:51:28
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| As we've told you before, Xylok, there are legal reasons why the BBC can't accept LC as a corporation. Currently the LC are in violation of copywrite laws but aren't sued because they're low key and they don't make a profit. The BBC would be doing it for a profit, thus, the prices they'd have to pay for copywrites on everything would make it pretty much impossible for them to make a profit. |
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mican
Time Traveller
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 16:59:15
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Originally posted by toxicspurge
As we've told you before, Xylok, .....
He appears to either have a problem listening to what people tell him, or he has a problem remembering what people tell him. I haven't figured which yet.
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Pip
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 17:39:11
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| He's just a very enthusiastic teenager (which is good), but at the same time he seems to not comprehend the reality of the situation, or the fact that just because he worships at the altar of reconstructions and thinks every single Doctor Who fan will do so as well, the truth is that a lot of fans are quite content with the missing episode CDs, which - surprise! - the BBC have released in full. |
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TelesnapGuy
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Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 00:16:01
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Originally posted by toxicspurge
So I'm curious. Are the recons of Doctor Who the first attempts ever to reconstruction missing episodes of a television program from stills?
Well, as you've seen people comment, Doctor Who is likely the first television series to ever be reconstructed in the format type you recognise. There is a single missing episode of Dark Shadows, as Russ notes, that was restored with off-air audio, production stills and material from the surrounding episodes for the VHS release in 1993. But Doctor Who reconstructions got their start in the 1980s with Richard Landen's episodes of Power of the Daleks presented at Tellycon in 1987.
There have been several films reconstructed with various similar methods. The first was probably Lost Horizon which Columbia and the American Film Institute first starting restoring in 1974. Even with various bits of the film restored from a couple of various prints the film is still missing seven minutes of footage. The audio does exist though and has been presented with production stills to fill the gap. This is, as far as I know, the very first type of this sort of reconstruction.
There are of course other films that have been restored in a similar way, including the (much maligned but absolutely wonderful) Giorgio Moroder edit of Metropolis in 1983. And certainly Metropolis has since been restored a number of other times until much of the missing footage was discovered in Argentina last year. (In fact, all the missing footage is in the Argentina print, but one scene is in too poor condition to be saved completely.) London After Midnight was also mentioned - this was reconstructed by Turner Classic Movies in 2002.
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