| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Russ |
Posted - 16 Dec 2007 : 22:34:51
The Loose Cannon release of The Space Pirates is now available, more details at the LC site
http://www.recons.com/recons/lc28.htm
Its certainly much improved on the original! |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 10:56:42
LOL! |
| chumblielover |
Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 06:29:35
quote:
Originally posted by toxicspurge
Maybe he needs a girlfriend?
Don't we all? |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 06 Aug 2008 : 10:47:06
LOL! I have no idea. It's certainly good for comedy relief, though! |
| Makkabee |
Posted - 06 Aug 2008 : 07:12:58
Sycophantic? TOX?
Why on Earth do some people insist on misinterpreting politeness as some sort of character flaw? |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 17:15:44
That's what I think too. |
| Russ |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:45:43
Yeah, i would say Dog of War Brian, Sicophantic Sheep Hound sounds like something someone attending "special" lessons would come up with |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:37:31
Hey Russ, let me get your opinion! Which user name do you prefer?
"Dog of War" or "Sicophantic Sheep Hound"?
I just think "Dog of War" has a better feel to it. |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:36:08
Maybe he needs a girlfriend? |
| Russ |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:35:26
quote:
Originally posted by toxicspurge
By the way, I don't know you The2ncComing, nor do I know anything about you, but you seem to be very bitter about the whole recon thing. Why is that?
Its Kyron (Timmy) Mallet aka Silversmurfer under one of his other identities, sadly he is the turd that will not flush
For some reason he has a major chip on his shoulder because we won't upload recons to YouTube (or similar) and takes it as a personal slight |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:34:57
Well said Russ! See! Everything I said was correct! |
| kajaboy |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:34:50
quote:
Originally posted by The2ndComing
What corporations worry about is potential lost revenue........
Which is why the BBC would get pissy over people using the narrated audios. |
| Russ |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:33:11
quote:
Originally posted by The2ndComing
I agree the preference of narration is a personal choice, however its inclusion makes the recon (and by inference all recons) more likely to be pulled. There was a guy on here a while ago (Silver Smurfer - Kyron Mallet) who made his own "recons" and proudly used the narrated audio and proclaimed to all who would listen that he was distributing them on YouTube and he had a perfect right to do so etc etc, his YouTube site was shut down, thankfully it had no effect on anyone else but its clear the beeb are watching
Now there are more than a few factual errors here. Russell-Port is quite charactieristically not presenting the full truth.
First of all LC has no more "right" to produce recons than any other individual or group.
A recon is any combination of pictures and sound therefore my work posted on YouTube was just as much a recon as anyone elses (including all others who create, post, distribute recons via any media).
A copyright violation is a copyright violation. There is nothing better or worse in relation to what I have done than what LC, JV or anyone else has produced. (Although I have and do again admit that posting narrated soundtracks is more naughty than the above and have apologised for it - although I wonder why I have bothered). The LC will often carry on about how its much more legal to distribute material on video tape as if they have an agreement with the BBC and that keeps the legal wolf from the door: it isn't kids and it doesn't.
No one took my site down, I did if for my own personal reasons. There was another lie posted by His Nibbs above previously stating that there was a notice on my page stating that it had been removed for having broken terms etc. There wasn't. There are little girly swats that operate "lurkering" identities on sites like YouTube, searching for anything they find objectionable. His Holiness Russ admitted to beingone of these and it was up for a rather long time before I pulled the plug indicating that even site adminstrators don't like threatened little spoilsports.
Now, I did not start this little battle of wills. I found myself banned for simply putting up recons of my own on YouTube from the LC site (and the Levine site as well? I can't rememeber... maybe it was the comment about the tissues and the basement that got me banned from this site originally?!!!) Having done that I then did (sort of)what I was accused of, uploading a LC recon, although it was one composed of stills from their Marco Polo recon just for fun (a couple of episodes only). I have also been accused of slagging LC off and a whole number of other things, I have since found out. This sort of thing is typical of immature and uncreative minds with unresolved issues!
Aside from moving towards my Research Doctorate, in recent months I have been very busy (not just making recons). I would invite all those interested to listen to my new audio adventure 'Equilibrium' produced by the Doctor Who Audio Dramas. I won't bother posting the website, its quite well known. You see Russ, that's what creative people do: they create. And some of us are quite good at it. Others on teh other hand, attach themselves to others and set themselves up on high as a type of expert.
It will be interesting if this post (which will be my last word on the subject stays up and in its original format). If it is removed or altered [I'll be nice you can remove the cuss words ;)]OR I am banned from this site in a typical fit of immature and characteristic pique, I may then suffer from an irresistable urge to start a new YouTube site called "Loose Cannon Online" and upload every single Loose Cannon recon up to the Space Pirates and we'll see just how loooong it takes to come off!
Sorry folks but I find it difficult to swallow taking crap about uploading recons from people who run a global operation doing the same thing. Have a nice life.
PS. Its also MALLETT you idiot. As in the 1000 year old Anglo-Norman patronymical surname predating yours by at least 500 years. Do the world a favour: learn to spell and learn to think.
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First of all LC has no more "right" to produce recons than any other individual or group.
correct
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A recon is any combination of pictures and sound therefore my work posted on YouTube was just as much a recon as anyone elses (including all others who create, post, distribute recons via any media).
also correct (if referring to your DMP one) - just a really crap one
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A copyright violation is a copyright violation. There is nothing better or worse in relation to what I have done than what LC, JV or anyone else has produced. (Although I have and do again admit that posting narrated soundtracks is more naughty than the above and have apologised for it - although I wonder why I have bothered). The LC will often carry on about how its much more legal to distribute material on video tape as if they have an agreement with the BBC and that keeps the legal wolf from the door: it isn't kids and it doesn't.
Half correct - a violation is a violation and are equally illegal, however it is the choice of the copyright holder whether to persue such a violation , it isn't more legal to distribute on VHS, it is just (in our view) less likely the copyright holder will take action, you may disagree with that view, thats up to you
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No one took my site down, I did if for my own personal reasons. There was another lie posted by His Nibbs above previously stating that there was a notice on my page stating that it had been removed for having broken terms etc. There wasn't. There are little girly swats that operate "lurkering" identities on sites like YouTube, searching for anything they find objectionable. His Holiness Russ admitted to beingone of these and it was up for a rather long time before I pulled the plug indicating that even site adminstrators don't like threatened little spoilsports.
Not correct, your site had the standard removed notice also applied to other BBc items they seem to dislike (the main one being the clip of a dalek arguing with Eccleston in French which has been removed on several occasions - though lord knows why as its quite funny). I have one identity on YouTube, ElDoctorio, and have never reported anyone to YouTube admins or otherwise, i would have no compunction in doing so but YouTube will only accept complaints from the copyright holder which we are only part of, though i do ask people to remove recons from YouTube and explain the reasons and they usually do - at least the sane ones do
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Now, I did not start this little battle of wills. I found myself banned for simply putting up recons of my own on YouTube from the LC site (and the Levine site as well? I can't rememeber... maybe it was the comment about the tissues and the basement that got me banned from this site originally?!!!) Having done that I then did (sort of)what I was accused of, uploading a LC recon, although it was one composed of stills from their Marco Polo recon just for fun (a couple of episodes only). I have also been accused of slagging LC off and a whole number of other things, I have since found out. This sort of thing is typical of immature and uncreative minds with unresolved issues!
You actually first uploaded a recon of Mission to the Unknown created purely from screencaps from the LC release, then uploaded your own recon of DMP (one episode, i can't remember which one). You frequently slag our policy of distributing on VHS off and have often slagged the product off
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Aside from moving towards my Research Doctorate,
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in recent months I have been very busy (not just making recons). I would invite all those interested to listen to my new audio adventure 'Equilibrium' produced by the Doctor Who Audio Dramas. I won't bother posting the website, its quite well known. You see Russ, that's what creative people do: they create. And some of us are quite good at it. Others on teh other hand, attach themselves to others and set themselves up on high as a type of expert.
Indeed, many people are excellent at creative stuff, though some are not, feel free to post the website cos i don't know it for one
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It will be interesting if this post(which will be my last word on the subject stays up and in its original format).
I'll bet a pound it isn't!
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If it is removed or altered [I'll be nice you can remove the cuss words ;)]OR I am banned from this site in a typical fit of immature and characteristic pique, I may then suffer from an irresistable urge to start a new YouTube site called "Loose Cannon Online" and upload every single Loose Cannon recon up to the Space Pirates and we'll see just how loooong it takes to come off!
Unfortunately your insults and language make it quite hard to avoid deleting your posts - but i have made an effort here - no one objects to you having your views - just your blanket refusal to accept anyone elses and then sinking to immature insults, you were barred from here last time due to you creating several new identities and having a discussion with yourself - i presume you have had some sort of treatment since then - heres hoping
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Sorry folks but I find it difficult to swallow taking crap about uploading recons from people who run a global operation doing the same thing. Have a nice life.[/quote]
Funnily enough we all were until very very recently...
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PS. Its also MALLETT you idiot. As in the 1000 year old Anglo-Norman patronymical surname predating yours by at least 500 years. Do the world a favour: learn to spell and learn to think.[/quote]
Many apologies Timmy.... |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:32:23
By the way, if you must refer to me as something to be released, I much prefer the term "let slip the dogs of war", rather than "let loose the sicophantic sheep hounds".
I'm just funny that way. |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:30:53
By the way, I don't know you The2ncComing, nor do I know anything about you, but you seem to be very bitter about the whole recon thing. Why is that? |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 15:29:41
Again, I don't think I've never seen the LC crew say or imply that what they're doing is any more or less illegal than distributing on DVD. They merely say the likelihood of the BBC getting upset and attempting to shut them down is much less likely if they're producing on an obsolete format.
P.S. I am forty something. However, I don't consider myself a sheep or a sicophant. I call them the way I see them. |
| The2ndComing |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 14:59:40
quote:
Originally posted by toxicspurge
I've never seen the LC team saying that it's "legal" for them to distribute on VHS. They've always acknoledged their recons are copywrite violations. They just distribute on VHS because there's less of a likelihood the BBC would take action since it's in such an obsolete format.
Ahhhh yes, release the hounds! Let the little sicophants do the dirty work!
The term was "more legal", in otherwords its implied that what they do is "less illegal" - although they post digital clips online themselves. There's no less likelihood of legal action re: analogue versus digital. What corporations worry about is potential lost revenue which is why the majority of recons and fan fic is simply ignored. It's hard to make money from a product that's a pile of ashes or garbage fill.
Its a lie believed and propagated by a little clique of fortty something nerds who think they own Doctor Who and you are clearly one of the sheep that follow them. |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 14:06:06
I've never seen the LC team saying that it's "legal" for them to distribute on VHS. They've always acknoledged their recons are copywrite violations. They just distribute on VHS because there's less of a likelihood the BBC would take action since it's in such an obsolete format. |
| The2ndComing |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 13:52:37
[/quote]
I agree the preference of narration is a personal choice, however its inclusion makes the recon (and by inference all recons) more likely to be pulled. There was a guy on here a while ago (Silver Smurfer - Kyron Mallet) who made his own "recons" and proudly used the narrated audio and proclaimed to all who would listen that he was distributing them on YouTube and he had a perfect right to do so etc etc, his YouTube site was shut down, thankfully it had no effect on anyone else but its clear the beeb are watching
[/quote]
Now there are more than a few factual errors here. Russell-Port is quite charactieristically not presenting the full truth.
First of all LC has no more "right" to produce recons than any other individual or group.
A recon is any combination of pictures and sound therefore my work posted on YouTube was just as much a recon as anyone elses (including all others who create, post, distribute recons via any media).
A copyright violation is a copyright violation. There is nothing better or worse in relation to what I have done than what LC, JV or anyone else has produced. (Although I have and do again admit that posting narrated soundtracks is more naughty than the above and have apologised for it - although I wonder why I have bothered). The LC will often carry on about how its much more legal to distribute material on video tape as if they have an agreement with the BBC and that keeps the legal wolf from the door: it isn't kids and it doesn't.
No one took my site down, I did if for my own personal reasons. There was another lie posted by His Nibbs above previously stating that there was a notice on my page stating that it had been removed for having broken terms etc. There wasn't. There are little girly swats that operate "lurkering" identities on sites like YouTube, searching for anything they find objectionable. His Holiness Russ admitted to beingone of these and it was up for a rather long time before I pulled the plug indicating that even site adminstrators don't like threatened little spoilsports.
Now, I did not start this little battle of wills. I found myself banned for simply putting up recons of my own on YouTube from the LC site (and the Levine site as well? I can't rememeber... maybe it was the comment about the tissues and the basement that got me banned from this site originally?!!!) Having done that I then did (sort of)what I was accused of, uploading a LC recon, although it was one composed of stills from their Marco Polo recon just for fun (a couple of episodes only). I have also been accused of slagging LC off and a whole number of other things, I have since found out. This sort of thing is typical of immature and uncreative minds with unresolved issues!
Aside from moving towards my Research Doctorate, in recent months I have been very busy (not just making recons). I would invite all those interested to listen to my new audio adventure 'Equilibrium' produced by the Doctor Who Audio Dramas. I won't bother posting the website, its quite well known. You see Russ, that's what creative people do: they create. And some of us are quite good at it. Others on teh other hand, attach themselves to others and set themselves up on high as a type of expert.
It will be interesting if this post (which will be my last word on the subject stays up and in its original format). If it is removed or altered [I'll be nice you can remove the cuss words ;)]OR I am banned from this site in a typical fit of immature and characteristic pique, I may then suffer from an irresistable urge to start a new YouTube site called "Loose Cannon Online" and upload every single Loose Cannon recon up to the Space Pirates and we'll see just how loooong it takes to come off!
Sorry folks but I find it difficult to swallow taking crap about uploading recons from people who run a global operation doing the same thing. Have a nice life.
PS. Its also MALLETT you idiot. As in the 1000 year old Anglo-Norman patronymical surname predating yours by at least 500 years. Do the world a favour: learn to spell and learn to think.
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| Frankymole |
Posted - 14 May 2008 : 19:03:53
quote:
Originally posted by Russ
Using Mark Ayres cd's is likely to send the man into a lather, turns him green and has him ripping his shirt I believe
That I'd like to see!
My thoughts on Elaphe were posted in anbother thread, but bear repeating:
feel very virtuous. I have access to several torrent sites (which I only use for non-copyright material), as well as easy ability to transfer torrents (or VHS tapes) to DVD. But I have avoided the Elaphe attempts, and bought the BBC audio CDs without fail. I have also got the LC recons. Why? Not purely altruism, though I do want as wide an audience of fans as possible to enjoy the old stories (I bet RTD and David Tennant know exactly what happened in The Massacre..). It's because the extras, and the achievement of top quality are what really make these worthwhile. Some favourites - Mark Ayres's lovely, lovely interviews on the CDs (Anneke Wills on "Underwater Menace" is a particular favourite - she is so amazing!) and the spectacular interview coups achieved by LC (Donald Gee, Mark Eden, and Julian Glover being glorious examples; and Peter Purves and Sonia Markham, who gave me a very entertaining evening; they're wonderful!) - as well as the beautiful, painstaking works of art like the almost frame-by-frame construction "from the ground up" like "The Massacre".
Never mind Elaphe (whatever), 2¦Entertain and BBC Worldwide could look at some of these tapes and weep. This is the best appreciation any imaginative work could have. I'm awed!
If you have the LC videos, and the BBC soundtrack CDs, I fail to see what "extra" Elaphe offer. A lot less, in most cases. |
| Steve Hatcher |
Posted - 10 Feb 2008 : 20:43:12
It was made by JV and is actually pretty good for its age. Actually it's rather good and not that old - it's extraordinary what we've come to expect from a recon these days, due to the efforts of the Loose Cannon Team. |
| nix |
Posted - 06 Feb 2008 : 17:21:47
quote:
Originally posted by toxicspurge
The Loose Cannon team is quite set against it. I think you're pissing into the wind with this one.
I assume Adam means higher quality audio. The audio on the BBCs narrated tracks is nicely cleaned up, and I might be jumping the gun here but maybe he's judging LC audio by the copies of the early releases circulating on download and videoblog sites.
Adam newer recons have clearer audio look at the review on http://www.recons.com/soon.htm (though the music can distract a bit :D) |
| toxicspurge |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 21:06:05
The Loose Cannon team is quite set against it. I think you're pissing into the wind with this one. |
| Adam |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 19:20:25
quote:
Originally posted by Russ
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Originally posted by nix
quote:
Originally posted by kajaboy
I am yet to get any recons and with VHS tapes drying up I better get a move on.
I previously though they drying up too. I know some of the big retailers have announced they've stopped selling VCR's and doctor who isn't released on VHS any more, but there are still a lot of people using VCR's to record (most households have DVD-player not recorder). I have a HDD-rec so don't use my VCR to record programs any more, so haven't bought a tape for the last year or so. I recently went out to buy some for recons, and found them in most places you'd expect. Also found some decent prices - Maxell e180 99p and Sony e180 £1.40
quote:
Originally posted by Russ
quote:
Originally posted by tygerbug
Why are the Elaphe (Elephe?) recons so rarely mentioned when talking about recons? They're newish and all, and they use narrated audio, but I've watched 10 Elephe recons for every Loose Cannon I've seen .... so they're certainly out there ....
These are badly advised recons, they use the narrated audio and also are distributed digitally (directly from source), this is likely to cause problems for all recons as this is what the BBC (apparantly) dislike, Using Mark Ayres cd's is likely to send the man into a lather, turns him green and has him ripping his shirt I believe
This one is a hard one IMO. The fact they are illegally using the copyrighted narrated audios means both that it can disenfranchise the Beeb on the idea of fan-recons and that they have a limited audience (as only available on download sites). If you take the recon's themselves and examine themselves, then whether they are a preference to LC is a personal choice. The audio on them is nice and clear, obviously, and judging by the Space Pirates preview clip on the LC site, newer LC's audio is clearer than the old stuff. I do like the narrated (I know some people don't) especially as peering at the TV to read the moving text on my old LC's is a bit distracting.
However Elaphe recons are purely static telesnaps, where as LC are now putting more movement into scenes. That said we may see more in other recons to follow too. I think elaphe recons can appear clearer because they are not limited to VHS and so can be released in higher resolutions, though this isn't always as straight forward as it might seem as some of the telesnaps used are upscaled versions of smaller images.
I agree the preference of narration is a personal choice, however its inclusion makes the recon (and by inference all recons) more likely to be pulled. There was a guy on here a while ago (Silver Smurfer - Kyron Mallet) who made his own "recons" and proudly used the narrated audio and proclaimed to all who would listen that he was distributing them on YouTube and he had a perfect right to do so etc etc, his YouTube site was shut down, thankfully it had no effect on anyone else but its clear the beeb are watching
The Elaphe recons are very similar to the old JV recons, they rely almost totally on telenaps and the only improvements on the JV ones is the better quality source material and the lack of degredation as they are distributed in a digital format, something which Loose Cannon choose not to do so to minimise the risk. The JV ones were great at the time but a decade ago a lot less was available to include movement than now, even the most basic telesnap recon has potential to include movement with occasional clips or 2D animation, that said they are functional and provide an adequate representation of the story, and of course some people will prefer just the telesnaps
I think Elaphae's recons have dried up, I may be wrong but i haven't heard of a new one in ages (though i don't really look) and i think he has run out of telesnaps now! Non Telesnap stories are a lot more work to produce generally
I haven't heard of any new Elaphe ones, however they/he seem to update the existing ones now and again, there was an updated Highlanders recently.
I know this gets said a lot but considering the Audios only exist because of piracy perhaps more leeway should be given to allowing high quality copies. |
| kajaboy |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 19:14:32
quote:
Originally posted by Pip
It's a misquote from the Doctor during the Hollywood bit in Deast of Steven - near the end he claims 'this place is a madhouse... it's all full of Arabs!'
Apparently it was an ad-lib from Hartnell at the time...
Oh I see. Can't say I remember that line. |
| Pip |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 19:01:48
quote:
Originally posted by kajaboy
quote:
Originally posted by tygerbug
Anyway it's full of Arabs.
Um.................What has this got to do with anything?
It's a misquote from the Doctor during the Hollywood bit in Deast of Steven - near the end he claims 'this place is a madhouse... it's all full of Arabs!'
Apparently it was an ad-lib from Hartnell at the time... |
| kajaboy |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 18:28:41
Well that aside for a mo....
One of my fave bits is when the Doctor thinks he has seen the charactor listed as Man in Mackintosh befor and then says something like, "Oh yes in the market place in Jaffa". He is of cause refering to Ben Daheer from "The Crusade" both played by Reg Pritchard. Very clever that I thought. |
| blahblah gh |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 18:05:20
I did sorta scratch my head at that as well tbh.......... |
| kajaboy |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 17:26:11
quote:
Originally posted by tygerbug
Anyway it's full of Arabs.
Um.................What has this got to do with anything? |
| blahblah gh |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 09:11:56
I dont mind feast of steven either Kajaboy. Its a fun enough piece of fluff to drop in the middle of a fairly heavy story. Its entirely appropriate for xmas anyhow.
It is pretty unlikely to turn up judging by the evidence available, but then as I am fond of saying, stranger things have happened before. |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 01:10:49
Feast of Steven is best avoided at all costs.
Anyway it's full of Arabs. |
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