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| tygerbug |
Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 22:56:54
http://www.doctorwhoforum.com/showthread.php?t=160513
Over at that forum, a while back, there was a discussion about the alien delegates in The Daleks' Master Plan.
I believe the top pic is from Mission to the Unknown, which preceded Master Plan by the length of The Myth Makers.
Andrew Kearley wrote:
"The delegates were played by different actors in Mission than they were in Masterplan - and indeed, the designs changed between the stories (and in some cases between the episodes of Masterplan).
For example, Gearon seems to have changed to this:
And Trantis (?) has changed to this:
The Loose Cannon recon was done before the discovery of episode 2, Day of Armageddon, which actually has the delegates in it, looking different than they do in Mission to the Unknown.
So its reconstruction isn't quite accurate.
I'm very curious how a reconstruction would look today, knowing what we know now. Who are the delegates? What do they REALLY look like?
If you read that Doctor Who Forum thread, Andrew Kearley confuses the situation by suggesting the character are all mislabeled (as is said in About Time), and I don't agree with him but I'm curious whether you do.
Some of the activity of the delegates revolves around a power struggle between Trantis and Celation ... In the recon, Celation seems to be depicted as a CGI character (?) ... It doesn't look like a photo to me. Trantis is depicted as he looks in that group photo, with spines hanging off his face.
However, a glance at the official BBC site for the Daleks' Master Plan episode 2 shows this ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/photonovels/masterplan/two/contactsheet.shtml
Trantis is shown as being this happy fellow, again ...
 
They refer to him as Trantis, and also identify Celation, Malpha and Zephon in closeups. Trantis seems to have lost his spiny face inbetween Mission to the Unknown and this ...
The Mission to the Unknown versions of the delegates hang out with Verity Lambert - good pics ...
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=120581
Decent shot of Zephon with his hood off can be found here, hanging out with Mavic Chen:
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=123122
Alternate source for Mission to the Unknown:
http://drwhotht01.newsit.es/1ta/
So, let's say someone was intending to animate the characters, in CGI or as 2d characters.
What should they REALLY look like? Who is who? |
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| tygerbug |
Posted - 08 Feb 2008 : 23:02:34
>>If someone needed screengrabs I could probably get them.
I need screengrabs. Can you get them?
..
Somewhat interestingly, on a Corrie site I clearly see a very tiny version of this image:
If you look at Pixley's article, it's very clear that this is the picture of Mosely they used to create their "artist's interpretation" of his Malpha. (The Celation seems to be the Loose Cannon one.) |
| Frankymole |
Posted - 08 Feb 2008 : 20:51:59
quote:
Originally posted by Russ
Well i think the Ark was the source for the LC recon Celation, I would imagine Bryan Mosely would be well represented
He was in a 1965 episode of The Avengers where he looked about the right age:
http://theavengers.tv/forever/pnote-mosley.htm
If someone needed screengrabs I could probably get them. Trouble is most of the time he's wearing a surgeon's cap and sometimes even a mask!
Also, he was in Coronation Street as a regular from 1968 for years and years. I suspect Corrie fans could unearth many images, even from the 60s. |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 01:45:42
Well, being American I haven't seen a lot of him, but reference could be found I'm sure ...
Anyway, thanks for your comments guys. I've gone ahead and posted a bunch of screen grabs from Day of Armageddon of the various delegates, as well as some pics of the Loose Cannon Celation.
http://orangecow.org/who-sprites2/dmpaliens/
Anyone needs reference for those characters - enjoy.
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| Russ |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 21:34:06
quote:
Originally posted by tygerbug
Is there reference out there from other productions for Bryan Mosley (the third version of Malpha) and Terence Woodfield (the second Celation)?
I see a pic from The Ark of Terence Woodfield here:
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story-1.shtml
Google Image search turns up some Bryan Mosley from various eras ...
http://images.google.com/images?q=%22bryan+mosley%22&ndsp=20&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&start=0&sa=N
Well i think the Ark was the source for the LC recon Celation, I would imagine Bryan Mosely would be well represented |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 20:39:44
Is there reference out there from other productions for Bryan Mosley (the third version of Malpha) and Terence Woodfield (the second Celation)?
I see a pic from The Ark of Terence Woodfield here:
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story-1.shtml
Google Image search turns up some Bryan Mosley from various eras ...
http://images.google.com/images?q=%22bryan+mosley%22&ndsp=20&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&start=0&sa=N |
| Richard Bignell |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 13:38:25
quote:
Originally posted by Russ
There was an excellent feature in DWM when DOA was found by (i think) Andrew Pixley which gave all the reasoning and (i think again) it matched what you have labelled here but it wasn't 100% certain, just very likely, no doubt the esteemed Mr Bignell will be along to point out any inaccuracies soon!
Nah! I think Andrew's got it as about right as we're going to get!
Richard
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| Russ |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 02:07:18
It's one of those things that would probably entail a deal of debate but I imagine those delegates that are in episode 2 would be sourced from there and those likenesses used for later episodes unless there is other evidence showing something different, as to what evidence there may be i have no idea - I wasn't involved in Masterplan and don't have detailed knowledge of the photos
There was an excellent feature in DWM when DOA was found by (i think) Andrew Pixley which gave all the reasoning and (i think again) it matched what you have labelled here but it wasn't 100% certain, just very likely, no doubt the esteemed Mr Bignell will be along to point out any inaccuracies soon!
Celation was a combination of a CGI body with the actors face superimposed, i imagine screen caps from DOA would be used if it was remade, though without looking in detail as to positions to create composites from its hard to say.
What Andrew Kearly says is certainly possible but seems unlikely, and i'm sure Kevin Stoney has said he wore oriental make up or something similar? Not blue, I'm pretty sure Warrien was only mentioned in the scripts (or similar) and was just assumed to be the guy in white by default
Derek Handley would probably know in more detail |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 00:48:05
I've seen that - I reread it again about an hour ago actually, right after making this post.
I'm more curious what the team would do if they were reconning the story today. And if there's any reference for the other Master Plan delegates that appear in Mission to the Unknown but not in Day of Armageddon -- |
| Another Ian |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 00:20:38
http://www.recons.com/features/lc20x-2.htm |
