| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 22:56:54
http://www.doctorwhoforum.com/showthread.php?t=160513
Over at that forum, a while back, there was a discussion about the alien delegates in The Daleks' Master Plan.
I believe the top pic is from Mission to the Unknown, which preceded Master Plan by the length of The Myth Makers.
Andrew Kearley wrote:
"The delegates were played by different actors in Mission than they were in Masterplan - and indeed, the designs changed between the stories (and in some cases between the episodes of Masterplan).
For example, Gearon seems to have changed to this:
And Trantis (?) has changed to this:
The Loose Cannon recon was done before the discovery of episode 2, Day of Armageddon, which actually has the delegates in it, looking different than they do in Mission to the Unknown.
So its reconstruction isn't quite accurate.
I'm very curious how a reconstruction would look today, knowing what we know now. Who are the delegates? What do they REALLY look like?
If you read that Doctor Who Forum thread, Andrew Kearley confuses the situation by suggesting the character are all mislabeled (as is said in About Time), and I don't agree with him but I'm curious whether you do.
Some of the activity of the delegates revolves around a power struggle between Trantis and Celation ... In the recon, Celation seems to be depicted as a CGI character (?) ... It doesn't look like a photo to me. Trantis is depicted as he looks in that group photo, with spines hanging off his face.
However, a glance at the official BBC site for the Daleks' Master Plan episode 2 shows this ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/photonovels/masterplan/two/contactsheet.shtml
Trantis is shown as being this happy fellow, again ...
 
They refer to him as Trantis, and also identify Celation, Malpha and Zephon in closeups. Trantis seems to have lost his spiny face inbetween Mission to the Unknown and this ...
The Mission to the Unknown versions of the delegates hang out with Verity Lambert - good pics ...
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=120581
Decent shot of Zephon with his hood off can be found here, hanging out with Mavic Chen:
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=123122
Alternate source for Mission to the Unknown:
http://drwhotht01.newsit.es/1ta/
So, let's say someone was intending to animate the characters, in CGI or as 2d characters.
What should they REALLY look like? Who is who? |
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| xylok b |
Posted - 25 Jun 2009 : 14:44:07
That's interesting, i still think he looks good in the Lc version of the Abandonned Planet though! |
| Frankymole |
Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 10:00:13
quote:
Originally posted by xylok b
What about Sentreal?
Only in "Mission to the Unknown". Pretty sure that the documentation and scripts show he doesn't return in "Master Plan". |
| xylok b |
Posted - 11 Jun 2009 : 16:52:39
Could you post it please? If you have it, i can't find it on the internet? |
| Sontaran |
Posted - 10 Jun 2009 : 10:33:45
quote:
Originally posted by xylok b
Does anyone know where I can see a picture of the shreikers and the visians, apparently they exsist?
The shreiker (or screemer as I think they are sometimes called) photo was printed in Doctor Who Magazine long ago, sorry, I can't remember which issue. But it really is just a dark blur, as the "prop" if being flown on a wire, there is no detail to see at all. It is about the size of a rook or crow.
As far as I know, the Visian photo hasn't seen print other than the eye-quiz on display at Jeremy Bentham's Doctor Who Series Launch Parties.
TC |
| xylok b |
Posted - 05 Jun 2009 : 22:41:40
Does anyone know where i can see a picture of the shreikers and the visians, apparently they exsist? |
| xylok b |
Posted - 05 Jun 2009 : 22:24:51
What about Sentreal? |
| Russ |
Posted - 05 Jun 2009 : 21:19:48
The Trantis is the white guy theory is far from a new one, it was mentions in About Time IIRC, I believe as the guy was in a Bond film or something, Franky, any evidence to back up your theory? |
| xylok b |
Posted - 05 Jun 2009 : 17:11:02
OMG, this is gonna make any future plans for animation rather complicated, do we know if sentreal was in the abbandonned planet, as he was in the LC version? And they forgot to mention Zephon in Devils' Planet! It would be awsome to finally work these things out, i like the idea of the delegates having name cards! |
| Frankymole |
Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 23:45:46
Trantis in "Mission to the Unknown" is played by Ronald Rich. He's not the tiny guy with the face tendrils, he's the one in the white domed cowl with stripes and a human face. |
| Russ |
Posted - 19 Mar 2009 : 21:23:12
It is the LC version in that article, the spot pattern is ever so slightly different! |
| Russ |
Posted - 19 Mar 2009 : 13:09:52
quote:
Originally posted by tygerbug
No, that's actually a Loose Cannon creation based on said photo.
Actually, i'm not sure it is! It may well be the photo |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 19 Mar 2009 : 12:47:38
No, that's actually a Loose Cannon creation based on said photo. |
| Sontaran |
Posted - 19 Mar 2009 : 10:23:29
A small version of the above photo was also in Doctor Who Magazine issue 342 (bottom right-hand corner of page 39), as reproduced in the middle of this thread. |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 18 Mar 2009 : 23:02:39
This rare photo of Celation was posted by Richard Bignell.
Gary Gillatt had posted about it at the RT -- he ran it in an issue of DWM, which is what you see here.
This is Terence Woodfield, who plays Celation in the later episodes of The Daleks' Master Plan - the only known photo of the character, who appears played by another actor in the existing episode 2, briefly.
Loose Cannon based their version of Celation on this photo -- they took grabs of Terence Woodfield in "The Ark," whitened up his face and put him onto a CGI body made in Poser.
The full photo is colour and also shows Mavic Chen (with a brownish makeup on, and apparently no beard?), and Trantis as played by Roy Evans (the actor seen in the existing episode 2 - a different actor, with tentacles on his face, played Trantis in Mission to the Unknown).
The full photo has not been leaked on the internet -- it belongs to a private collector who did provide a low quality to Loose Cannon but requested that it not be leaked further. |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 00:54:32
Courtesy of Frankymole, here are two images from about the same time of Bryan Mosley, who played the third Malpha,
http://orangecow.org/who-sprites2/dmpaliens/Mosley1.jpg
http://orangecow.org/who-sprites2/dmpaliens/Mosley2.jpg
Head on and not looking up would be better, but nice images these. |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 04 Jun 2008 : 09:37:57
Please do. |
| Frankymole |
Posted - 14 May 2008 : 19:06:37
quote:
Originally posted by tygerbug
>>If someone needed screengrabs I could probably get them.
I can - sorry that I've been offline a lot, mostly due to a new family arrival and demands of other forums. O'll get the fullest face shots I can get from The Avengers - "The Grave-Diggers" episode and report back toute-de-suite. Any excuse to watch it again :) |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 08 Feb 2008 : 23:02:34
>>If someone needed screengrabs I could probably get them.
I need screengrabs. Can you get them?
..
Somewhat interestingly, on a Corrie site I clearly see a very tiny version of this image:
If you look at Pixley's article, it's very clear that this is the picture of Mosely they used to create their "artist's interpretation" of his Malpha. (The Celation seems to be the Loose Cannon one.) |
| Frankymole |
Posted - 08 Feb 2008 : 20:51:59
quote:
Originally posted by Russ
Well i think the Ark was the source for the LC recon Celation, I would imagine Bryan Mosely would be well represented
He was in a 1965 episode of The Avengers where he looked about the right age:
http://theavengers.tv/forever/pnote-mosley.htm
If someone needed screengrabs I could probably get them. Trouble is most of the time he's wearing a surgeon's cap and sometimes even a mask!
Also, he was in Coronation Street as a regular from 1968 for years and years. I suspect Corrie fans could unearth many images, even from the 60s. |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 01:45:42
Well, being American I haven't seen a lot of him, but reference could be found I'm sure ...
Anyway, thanks for your comments guys. I've gone ahead and posted a bunch of screen grabs from Day of Armageddon of the various delegates, as well as some pics of the Loose Cannon Celation.
http://orangecow.org/who-sprites2/dmpaliens/
Anyone needs reference for those characters - enjoy.
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| Russ |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 21:34:06
quote:
Originally posted by tygerbug
Is there reference out there from other productions for Bryan Mosley (the third version of Malpha) and Terence Woodfield (the second Celation)?
I see a pic from The Ark of Terence Woodfield here:
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story-1.shtml
Google Image search turns up some Bryan Mosley from various eras ...
http://images.google.com/images?q=%22bryan+mosley%22&ndsp=20&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&start=0&sa=N
Well i think the Ark was the source for the LC recon Celation, I would imagine Bryan Mosely would be well represented |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 20:39:44
Is there reference out there from other productions for Bryan Mosley (the third version of Malpha) and Terence Woodfield (the second Celation)?
I see a pic from The Ark of Terence Woodfield here:
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story-1.shtml
Google Image search turns up some Bryan Mosley from various eras ...
http://images.google.com/images?q=%22bryan+mosley%22&ndsp=20&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&start=0&sa=N |
| Richard Bignell |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 13:38:25
quote:
Originally posted by Russ
There was an excellent feature in DWM when DOA was found by (i think) Andrew Pixley which gave all the reasoning and (i think again) it matched what you have labelled here but it wasn't 100% certain, just very likely, no doubt the esteemed Mr Bignell will be along to point out any inaccuracies soon!
Nah! I think Andrew's got it as about right as we're going to get!
Richard
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| Russ |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 02:07:18
It's one of those things that would probably entail a deal of debate but I imagine those delegates that are in episode 2 would be sourced from there and those likenesses used for later episodes unless there is other evidence showing something different, as to what evidence there may be i have no idea - I wasn't involved in Masterplan and don't have detailed knowledge of the photos
There was an excellent feature in DWM when DOA was found by (i think) Andrew Pixley which gave all the reasoning and (i think again) it matched what you have labelled here but it wasn't 100% certain, just very likely, no doubt the esteemed Mr Bignell will be along to point out any inaccuracies soon!
Celation was a combination of a CGI body with the actors face superimposed, i imagine screen caps from DOA would be used if it was remade, though without looking in detail as to positions to create composites from its hard to say.
What Andrew Kearly says is certainly possible but seems unlikely, and i'm sure Kevin Stoney has said he wore oriental make up or something similar? Not blue, I'm pretty sure Warrien was only mentioned in the scripts (or similar) and was just assumed to be the guy in white by default
Derek Handley would probably know in more detail |
| tygerbug |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 00:48:05
I've seen that - I reread it again about an hour ago actually, right after making this post.
I'm more curious what the team would do if they were reconning the story today. And if there's any reference for the other Master Plan delegates that appear in Mission to the Unknown but not in Day of Armageddon -- |
| Another Ian |
Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 00:20:38
http://www.recons.com/features/lc20x-2.htm |
